Subject: " rain " = " fall water " : summarymy sincere thanks go to everybody who respond to my query about the typological possibility of " rain " = " fall water " : to paul wood , john peterson , li wenchao , marion kee , alan cienkus , marus siroinen , zhang ning , sbe mike , siamak rezaeus , jeffrey goldberg , and steve matthew , who all respond and have be very helpful . apart from the numerous response contain " rain fall " , the case i be look for " water fall " = " it be rain " be attest in : 1 ) non-standard cantonese lohk sueus " fall + water " ( receive from paul wood and steve matthew ) ; 2 ) finnish sataa vetta " " it rain " , where sataa have original mean " to fall " and vetta " be partitive of vesus " water " ( recieve from marus siroinen and sbe mike ) ; 3 ) nepalus " paanus par-eko cha " it be rain ' , light . " water fall-perf . be " ( receive from john peterson ) . therefore , i believe the altaistic etymology for turkic jagmur " rain " analyse it as jag - ' to fall " + * - mur * " water " be support typologically by the above information . sasha vovin